11/19/2005 Table 1 Spins;337 Wins:221 Losts:116(10 zeros) 17xLL, 8xLLL, 1xLLLL, 1xLLLLL

Hi Guys Results From Air Ball Roulette That I supplied JLP Last Week 29 =1/3=5=W 5 =1/3=1=W 1 =1/2=13=W 13 =1/2=23=W 23 =2/3=33=W 33 =2/3=12=L 12 =1/3=3=W 3 =1/3=Z=L Z =1/2=12=W 12 =1/3=30=W 30 =2/3=12=L 12 =1/3=6=W 6 =2/3=13=W 13 1/2=30=L 30 =2/3=10=L 10 =1/3=23=L 23 =2/3=19=W 19 =2/3=35=W 35 =1/3=1=W 1 =1/2=2=W 2 =1/2=36=L 36 =2/3=22=W 22 =1/2=31=L 31 =1/3=2=W 2 =1/2=28=L 28 =1/3=21=L 21 =2/3=15=W 15 =2/3=30=W 30 =2/3=22=W 22 =1/2=14=W 14 =2/3=21=W 21 =2/3=15=W 15 =2/3=4=L 4 =1/3=7=W 7 =1/3=6=W 6 =2/3=34=W 34 =1/3=34=W 34 =1/3=22=L 22 =1/2=1=W 1 =1/2=18=W 18 =2/3=25=W 25 =2/3=27=W 27 =1/3=20=L 20 =2/3=15=W 15 =2/3=13=W 13 =1/2=22=W 22 =1/2=34=L 34 =1/3=7=W 7 =1/3=24=L 24 =2/3=8=L 8 =1/2=10=W 10 =1/3=1=W 1 =1/2=26=L 26 =1/3=5=W 5 =1/3=4=W 4 =1/3=29=W 29 =1/3=29=W 29 =1/3=20=L 20 =2/3=33=W 33 =2/3=34=W 34 =1/3=18=L 18 =2/3=29=W 29 =1/3=32=W 32 =2/3=19=W 19 =2/3=30=W 30 =2/3=11=L 11 =1/3=17=L 17 =1/2=36=L 36 =2/3=9=L 9 =1/3=32=W 32 =2/3=18=W 18 =2/3=19=W 19 =2/3=3=L 3 =1/3=Z=L Z =1/2=1=W 1 =1/2=1=W 1 =1/2=7=W 7 =1/3=12=W 12 =1/3=28=W 28 =1/3=21=L 21 =2/3=30=W 30 =2/3=5=L 5 =1/3=Z=L Z =1/2=10=W 10 =1/3=34=W 34 =1/3=22=L 22 =1/2=17=W 17 =1/2=12=W 12 =1/3 89 Spins =59 Wins & 29 Losses 3 Of Those Losses Were 3 Zeros 88 Results As Last Spin Result Is Still Pending LONGEST WINS =6 LONGEST Ls was =4 It Went Lw x 14 times....LL x 4 times... LLL x 1.... LLLL x 1 Lanky

Hi Forum Today I went & -*test*-('")ed both Clothdogs & Victors LD Systems on Air ball roulette. Same numbers produced this. Clothdogs Dozens 44 spins 29 wins 15 losses 1 of those losses was a Zero Longest win steak was 15 in a row Lw x 6 times LL x 2 LLL x1 There is LL with last spin pending result ........................................................................... Victor's LD method 43 spins 29 wins 14 losses 1 of those losses was a zero Longest winning streak 5 x 2 Lw x 7 times LL x nil LLL x 1 LLLL x 1 Lanky

Hi, Has anybody noticed tho' that based on the spins, you are only getting mostly what you'd expect, ie about 66% - 70% wins. Surely if the patterns were working, you'd expect to be in the 80%+ mark to be able to play with confidence. Or have I got my sums muddled! Paul

The VLS March
Paul I have done quite a few studies of the VLS march and I can report it usually hits about the same percentage, but you may have six w in a row many times. Using the Pluscoup method of progressing off a win, you can surely turn this to your advantage by having more money on more winners and the same money on all losers. Or...when you do have more money on a loser, it is "won/earned" money and not part of your starting bankroll. And it pretty much works the same using it for columns or dozens and it is not disk-based. If you're using it as a "seat holder" you're bankroll won't suffer much if any at all. If you're playing for real, you'll soon learn that you can make more than the -*test*-('")er's dollar-bets and earn a small percentage of bankroll. As Victor says, if you get your bankroll back with a small %age profit EVERY TIME---well, you got the Holy Grail. Sam

Re: The VLS March
Hello mates. Some time ago, I read a system in a spanish forum called "Roulette without stress" (Ruleta sin tensiones) that works with dozens. It's author give a modified Labouchere progression that could work with this system. That is: First L, write down 1 2° L, write down another 1 ... 1 1 Then you play 1+1. If L, write twice 2 ... 1 1 2 2 Then play 1+2. If W, cancel first an last (1&2), If L, write down twice 3 ... 1 1 2 2 3 3 Next play... first + last in the serie. What do you thing about it? I'll -*test*-('") it. See you. Oskar

Relaxed Roulette
Oskar I purchased that system on Ebay two years ago. He advocates that since you only need to get one winner ahead of your losers, it always works in the long run. It's true. If you have 50 losers and 51 winners, you will profit. And, since the rate of hit is around 67%, it is never hard to get that 50%+1. Well, it can be. I have never tried it, but I feel that in a 100 spin trot you would always win IF you had the bankroll to keep increasing the bet. And it does go up!! You will find yourself spending hundreds chasing that original $5 bet. Even the Pluscoup has it's drawbacks. You have to hit with regular monotony or it is a loser over flat betting, also. It's beastly hard to rob a roulette wheel and play the piano the next day! TCS

Re: Relaxed Roulette
Thanks Sam. I'm thinkig about the modified Labouchere progression. May that progressin work with CD dozens? I'll -*test*-('") it. I hope some of you do that as well. See you. Oskar

Oskar, If you are going down the "modified labby" path, I have written something regarding it, but now I am using the situational approach with the trinary system with good results. I won't go back to the labby. In case you want to check it out: http://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=4722

Patman, I'm doing the trinary and not looking back! I used to be the huge bankroll king, now I'm more careful. Please consider the trinary instead of cancellations. I can't recommend you to study cancellation right now, it is not the way I play today. I have evolved, focus your efforts in the current thing. For the trinary you are not looking to get more wins than losses or a fixed ratio of them, you need to get streaks. There are selection criterions for 24 numbers which can give a fair amount of streaks for both the w's and the L's. I'm -*test*-('")ing using two bankrolls dear friend: 1 for the w's another one for the L's. It is a "work in progress" using only 1 bankroll I have made near +50 units twice (last two sessions). Not 2000 units as bankroll, but 200, which percetually speaking is around 25% return. Although I'm -*test*-('")ing 500-unit bankrolls. 1 bankroll for the w's 1 bankroll for the L's Trinary. So the worst sessions for the w's are the best for the L's, so the averages can improve and the losses do not take down at 100% loss. Quite interesting approach mate, if you want, let's join forces. This is where I'm heading to.

Yes please Victor do elaborate on the trinary betting.As I am always hungry to learn more. Carlo posted the whittacker 3 step progression on the other forum. Its very interesting 1111122233=17 2222244466=34 3333366699=51 .... 102 in total for 30 bets I am going to play around with this (mayby) & see what I can come up with. Gees me tweaking things is unusual.......lol G'day Sam My mate Lanky

Hey Victor, I would like to hear about this too, it looks verry promising... Thank you for your time, Maltezan :)