More on clothdog's dozens
Spun the wheel 100+ times today at Suite332. Tested the dog's dozens over 98 of those spins. 32 losers 66 winners $10 flat bet profit. If a person had the guts to play the Leftmost software, you would have won quite nicely. I may run it through later tomorrow and see. It's 4:10 am here in Podunk. Best get some zzzzzzzzzzs Sam

I did run the ls and ws through the leftmost software. The largest bet was 126 units. Figure that times two as you bet two dozens. That's 252 units in one bet. Say you're betting $5.. That bet would be $1260. This does not count the losers that led up to this huge bet. You would probably be down 3 or 4 thousand by the time you made this bet. All this chasing $5. I can't do this. Is there anyone, other than Victor, who can? Tell me you'll drop $1260 in chips on the table for a $5 profit. This is what I love about the VLS March and Gamlet's Methodology. I do not use progressions. I gain a little with each session, usually. OR lose a little; not a bankroll. I was once told a progression was writing a check you knew would eventually bounce. Samster

sam, I have won quite nicely in the casino with this. I use 1-1-2-4 progression. I have been lucky enough not to run into a LLLL. The high percentage of the time you will win after a LLL even LL. The other side of the coin is wait for LL and start betting and if it goes to LLL. Stop. Hope this helps. Nobody in there right mind should bet a 3/5 shot in horse racing but people do it all the time. lay down huge money for a few dollars and then lose. The only sure way to double your money is fold it in half. CD

Perhpas I don't understand progressions..............
clothdog You said you had won nicely using 1 1 2 4......... Since you're betting a unit on each dozen, please do the math for me on this. I come out a loser any way I figure it it. The only progression I know for 1-2 odds is the Leftmost or a double-martingale. 5 15 45 135 405 units and on until you hit. You recoup your losses and gain the unit you're chasing. Maybe I'm still asleep.. Sam

another progression you can use is, Start at 2 units if lose increase by 1 unit, if win 3 times decrease by 2 units. this is the progression that I use when I'm playing blacks or pinks. I'm not saying it is impossible to have a crazy losing streak 5+ but the chances are that when it does come out you would be long gone by then. cause all you need is one streak, last night an 9 game winning streak took me from a WLWLWLWL....WWWWWWWW, it was wlwl for alot of spins I had 1600 on the table per round. This is how I played it out bet 200... Win (+200) bet 200... Loss +1 unit (-200) bet 300... Win (+100) bet 300... Loss +1 unit (-500) bet 400... Win (-100) bet 400... Loss +1 unit (-900) bet 500... Win (-400) bet 500... Loss +1 unit (-1400) bet 600... Win (-800) bet 600... Loss +1 unit (-2000) bet 700... Win (-1300) bet 700... Loss +1 unit (-2700) bet 800... Win (-1900) bet 800... Win (-1100) bet 800... Win (-300) 3 Wins -2 Units bet 600... Win (+300) bet 600... Win (+900) bet 600... Win (+1200) 3 wins - 2 units bet 400... Win (+1600) bet 400... Win (+2000) bet 400... Win (+2400) 3 wins - 2 units bet 200... Loss +1 unit (+2200) this is where I left @sam I used to do the double martingale thing it was hella dangerous and gets your heart pumping lol those zeros can be most cruel my bets were (100,300,900,2700) was the highest I would progress when I got kicked in the face with a single 0 on my 900 bet and another kick by a 00 on the 2700 bet I walked out that night realizing how dangerous that play style is, it works well in baccarat but not in roulette where a single number can rob your money from you regardless.

Hi clothdog and others; Just for information purposes I saw 5 consecutive losses on table #1 at Dublinbet Live Wheel and an unbelievable 7 consecutive losses on table #2 within a few minutes of each other on Aug. 18. Makes you wonder if this stuff cycles thru at the same time. So many times you see a 0 on 1 table and then a 0 on the next table within a few spins. Kind Regards; iggy

USING DUBLIN'S 8-25-07 NUBMERS.........
...and clothdog's dozen system, I found 78 winners and 38 losers for a +2 units for the 117 spin trot. To me this is hitting about as one would expect the math to predict it would. There was a trot of about ten losers in a row, and later a trot of about 18 winners in a row. sam, I have won quite nicely in the casino with this. I use 1-1-2-4 progression. I have been lucky enough not to run into a LLLL. The high percentage of the time you will win after a LLL even LL. The other side of the coin is wait for LL and start betting and if it goes to LLL. Stop. Hope this helps. Nobody in there right mind should bet a 3/5 shot in horse racing but people do it all the time. lay down huge money for a few dollars and then lose. The only sure way to double your money is fold it in half. CD clothdog, I am still waiting for your answer. You stated you used a 1 1 2 4 progression on this. How do you do this on two dozens? Sam

Actually, if I lose two in row I stop until I hit win. then I pick up again. CD

I don't play this that much. I play my key number system. While I'm waiting for a play I will play the dozens. cd

Then I shall -*test*-('") your key number system. Sam