Thanks to Victor (VLSroulette)
I've decided to go away from reading all the interesting posts of the four forums that I have frequented for the past month. I admit that I expected to learn nothing when I first started. I learned more though, I learned the way most of you think about systems and truths about Roulette, my favorite topic. I learned much more here than that too. I have never been able to talk openly with anyone that I knew. They all think that I'm nuts. That alone made the trip worth my time. All you all are very friendly here. That was a surprise as well. Even GG had good points, you just had to filter out the crud. I learned from Victor by way of Sam and Lanky that this ( wwwLwLwww) is worth a million bucks. From my own experience I knew what normal distribution chances looked like in almost all their forms. I never looked at my own conduct as yet another layer of chance before looking here. I never put anything down on paper or by computer that sent messages back to me that told me how I did. I would look at the data stream (arteinvivo idea) see thread: forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=281" target="_blank">http://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=281 I would look at my data stream and only see numbers and locations. I had to tell myself if I won or lost after reading it in my fashioned charts. Consequently I was never having the data stream tell me w or L before. That is Victor's contribution to the game of Roulette. I personally think it needs as big a claim to fame as the Martingale. It will take time and many of us beating the wheel time and time again to get that to happen I think. Sorry Victor, you'll just have to wait for your bronze statue in Vegas. So I have this to say. Do you really want a practical way to beat roulette out there in the mainstream? I want to do this for years. What happens if this VLS gets figured out and they stop us from bringing a paper and pencil to the tables, us crazy few. Anyway, because the software that I created, the new upgrades I mean, illustrates the usage of the VLS system so well I have decided not to make it available to others anywhere. I'm doing my part to not contribute to the delinquency of my fellow gamblers here. :-) I'm trying to protect all of your opportunities as well as my own with this decision. I hope all of you here know that I have enjoyed this forum more than any forum I ever spent time on in 11 years of being on the internet. If I see anyone playing at a table with w's and L's scribbled I'll know where you got it from. Best to all of you, Mark

That sounded like a farewell.........

Sam I thought the same as you My Mate. If it is I for one will be dissapointed to see Him go. Lanky

OK so I departed one thread too soon. I should have discussed the topic of having my software out there in the wide open or not. I realize that it is human nature to go for a gold rush. A very few here have disclosed methods of playing at roulette that have proved in -*test*-('")ing to work. That is one thing. My software allows the user to use any system of play to -*test*-('") and learn to use Victor's wL & hunting L's methodology. It would be very short term for anyone to develop how to use my software to win at roulette on a regular bases. It took me years to learn to dismiss the dumb ideas that at first seem good but are only disasters or not very good when put into real play. My software with a simple set of instructions (read a good system) can let those that have not done the work to jump to the front of the pack. That would cause a gold rush on the game of roulette. We know that the casinos would change the playing rules like they did for card counting players. So, what do you think would happen if this software was out there for anyone to use? You must have a good opinion because you guys have the concept down cold. It's the concept that is the danger if widely known. My software is a leap forward in the learning process. I know, because it worked on me as soon as I looked at it. It just jumps right out at you. It works for any betting scheme. I'm considering your opinions because I might just be a little off target with the gold rush thinking. Course there is always the guys that sold the shovels and picks to consider. Mark

Mark I am stuffed if I know what has got into you. No one that I can see has said anything but good about you on this thread. I will be disappointed to see you go as I think you are an asset here. Who wants to see good people leave ??? Not Me that's for sure. I don't care about your reasons for going or not. As far as I am concerned if you want to go then go. But it will our loss if that happens. Lanky

Mark Why don't You delay that decision to leave until Victor gets back I am sure he would like to talk to you Mate. Lanky

Gizmotron.....you don't really mean that a few...lets say that there would be a 1000 people would be using VLS methodology....you really think that the would beat the casions???that they would make such a diffrence that the casinos would change the payout and then would remove the roulette from casinos???? :D :D :D :D As a casino dealer let me tell you..........that WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!! My friend, the casino industry is one of the quickest and strongest branches....just in my country there are 2 new casinos being buildt...and in America....Europe.... Even if 1000 people would use this system and they would be winning.....that would still be about 0,01 % ( probably ALOT less ) would be winning!!! Maltezan

Here's a nickel's worth
I've been in two casinos, one in Vegas and one in Tahoe, where they have no marquis. Blackjack and craps will not---to my understanding---allow you to chart numbers or cards. Mark has a point in that Thorpe did change the face of Blackjack with his card-counting methodology. Maltezan has point that VLS has made before: If the "Holy Grail" were written on the wall next to the roulette wheel, most of the players would ignore it. But the question is this: If Mark develops a software that makes a ton of money and you can't take into the casino with you, what good is it? I would not be surprised to see the casinos limit the use of pen and paper. Not at all. Mark, as much as I'd like to have it for online wagering, I'd calm up if I were you. Sam

Hello Mark, Your presence on the forum has been highly regarded. Your facts and opinions were articulated very well. However, a sudden move to leave the forum seems out of the ordinary. Why? No offense, but here is my take on your experience. You came to the forum to compare the ideas of others with your ideas. You offered a program for a free trial period of 90 days, which infers that you will be charging after 90 days. I download the program and began to play a series of numbers. On my first trial, I won consistently using my strategies. Then I realized my session is probably being recorded so I deleted that session. My fears were confirmed when you wrote to me and stated how I had done in my betting sequence. I had deleted the numbers I was betting on so that people one could not see the numbers I played before I posted, thank my lucky stars. From that point, I decided not to give you any more information or correspond with you because I felt your intent was to figure out other people’s systems without permission. Certainly, more power to you, if others do not mind that you disclose their methods. An now, you have in your possession Victor’s method recorded on your program. Now you want to keep it a secret. Interesting? Now you want to leave the forum. Here is a quote by you supporting that claim: Anyway, because the software that I created, the new upgrades I mean, illustrates the usage of the VLS system so well I have decided not to make it available to others anywhere. I'm doing my part to not contribute to the delinquency of my fellow gamblers here. I'm trying to protect all of your opportunities as well as my own with this decision Kimo Li

"VLS has made before: If the "Holy Grail" were written on the wall next to the roulette wheel, most of the players would ignore it." --- VERY VERY TRUE!!! Ken