Hey hammy, Well Like I said before my friend, there are people with over 30 years of exp in our casino, and have played accros europe.... And nobody.. and I mean nobody can hit a sector for sure......... As soon as I find some prove of a dealer being able to do this I will believe what we were though at dealers school....and will belive the words of veteran dealers.... If I will find a dealar that can do this, I will announce that I was wrong, Maltezan

Maltezan This may sound funny, but I think the harder they try the less they succeed. However, when a person falls into an unconscious rhythm, they may actually hit the same sectors more often than not. This also happens with bowling, golf and archery. Sometimes one just tries too hard. ...or not.. Sam

VLS asked "I wonder how much can a dealer do when you are playing, 11 streets or Romanosky betting charts" Well the last time I played 6 streets, the dealer remarked to the pit boss, Too Easy, as he scooped my chips AGAIN from the table. I never tried the 11 streets or Romanosky method, because you only have to look at it to realise 1 loss and your history. Regarding the smart dealer and the comment "too easy" I took my revenge on the Baccarat table over the weekend, same dealer was dealing the cards, I'm constantly winning against this shoe, and while he is continually paying me, I'm repeating the comment back to him TOO EASY, should have seen his face, thanked him a lot when he left the table as well. Love it when you can throw it back at them. Reference ball bounce, some times if your winning too much, as in chip value, then the mandatory dealer change occurs, I've witnessed no bounce whatsoever. When your covering 30 numbers giving you an 81% coverage, yet you lose 3 spins on the trot to the same number, and some dealer has the audacity to ask me, what were the odds in that. Get real, the dealer is not your friend, they are smiling assassins doing the good work on behalf of THEIR EMPLOYERS, simply keep your wits about you. I discussed this topic last night at the Baccarat tables, the dealer laughed. Section spinning is so easy, as you mention 6 revolutions minimum, so any decent dealer can predict the drop zone, all they need to do now is have the pockets of the wheel in the right location, so it's simply a case of practising \ learning how much energy you need to spin the wheel, and how much force on the ball, similar to rolling a marble the same distance over and over. As for the frets, don't make me laugh, the pocket over ball release is vital obviously. Another dealer told me over the weekend that employees can practise during the day when the tables are empty. You only have to read some the comments posted over the years from punters, some Maori dealer in Sky City New Zealand saying to some punter, "don't try that at my table" as he switched from section to section and cleaned the guy out. A dealer said to the pit boss while I was covering 3 different even chances at ONCE, and lost 3 consecutive times, perhaps I'm being too hard on him, nope he didn't hit zero. I've also taken advantage of lazy dealers, while playing the outsides noticed a dealer was hitting the same section because the wheel practically came to a halt due to their slowness in paying out. At Sky City some of the new employees are so eager to please their employers the ball is lucky to make 6 revolutions. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact we can't tip down-under. There are some posters on the other forums that have many, many years of gambling experience, people like ~Rob, Talesman just to name two, neither would dismiss the notion that dealers can't hit sections, I would go a lot further that that based solely on my own personal experience over the years. I dabbled with Roulette a month or so ago, now I stay well away and restrict my play to the Baccarat tables. Good luck with the board VLS, had to laugh at that the fact you couldn't get on to the "Let's Talk Scamming" site, your free systems are in a different league to the scams which the owner and the rest of his cronies peddle on that particular site, so no wonder he doesn't want you posting there. Finally good luck to the rest of you with your Roulette endeavours, just remember whatever you do, keep your eyes wide at all times and bet after ball release if you can. I don't know about other territories, but rapid roulette in some casino's down under is a cash cow for the establishment, no late betting, hardly any spin whatsoever, I've never seen dealers spin the ball so slowly, plus they have a monitor to view the cummulation of bets and their location before they spin, now they have a clear view of where the majority of the bets are, not that you can change them after the counter reaches zero and the robotic voice tells you no more bets, and guess what the dealer he hasn't even released the ball yet LOL. Good luck fella's. J

John You said: "I dabbled with Roulette a month or so ago, now I stay well away and restrict my play to the Baccarat tables." You learned all you needed to know in a mere dabble. I spend hours each day in study and thought. And so it goes........ TCS

To the point TCS :wink:

I played Roulette many years ago, so I wouldn't consider myself a novice, VLS's systems when posted on VIP renewed my interest (unfortunately). After playing them I wouldn't do so again, there is no decent recovery playing those so called numerically superior methods. Excluding some 2000 unit bankroll perhaps. Besides it's my personal opinion the Labby stinks as a progression and MM method, I use a personalise Fibonacci. So combine the two and its a recipe for a disaster, which I found out the hard way. I've never in all my years of gambling experienced such as bad run of losing sessions playing Roulette, jumping streets etc, so I ventured went back to the Baccarat tables since which I'm hitting a 100 units profit per session. Considering the fact the dealer influences every single outcome, No brainer really...

John, Now I realize I was lucky enough to never lost the bankroll. Now-a-days I am devoting more to the smaller bankrolls and the averages war. Although I can't complain how I did in the past. ----------- Would I never lose my former 2000-unit bankroll? Only god knows that, but with my new framework this year, I'm not going back. Best regards. Victor.

Victor I have a question for you regarding the Labby and it's supposedly 33% + 1 win rate requirement. Let's assume we don't pre-load it, we lose we have 1 element to cancel, lose twice and our string is 1,2 or 1,1 depending on the 2nd bet size, to cancel 2 elements or cancel two losses we need to win once, in other words 50%. Lose three times, 1,2,3 we need to win 1.5, let's disregard odd number of elements, as we still need to place two bets to clear. Take 4 losses, 1,2,3,4 we need to win twice to resolve, And so on, 1,2,3,4,5,6 6 losses we need to win 3 times. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 8 losses we need to win 4 times etc, etc. You can see from all the above examples, that a 50% win rate is required. So answer me if you can, because I've been scratching my head with it for a while, where on earth does this 33% + 1 quote which you see on many gambling web sites when evaluating the Labby? Thanks John

Hi John Sorry to hear about your losses mate & pleased at the same time that you are winning again. John if I may comment please. When Victor uses the cancellation betting plan I am sure that he went back to the LEFT on a loss NOT TO THE RIGHT until such times as he was betting NOTHING. He would be Just waiting in virtual for the winning patterns to form. Now back to your example 12345678=4 bets to win That is correct looking at the lost bets. However if you had the following 4 winning bets. 123456789<winner here wipes 189 off 2345679< winner here wipes 279 off<<Lanky edited this here the 7 was missed in the post previously 34569<winner here wipes 369 off 459<winner here wipes 459 off & even Would that not now be 12 bets for 4 wins=33% of total bets.?? I don't use the Labby myself ( I use to ) I use the 6 point divisor plan mostly. Your friend Lanky

Hey John, Well first mus say this that I'm sorry you lost with roulette, but if you are winning with baccarat that by all means you should play baccarat( maybe you could give us some tipes about playing it ... :) ) You said that when the dealer hit and took your money he said " TOO EASY!!!???!!! Must say that I hate this kind of people. their egos are so big that they need a trailer to carry it... :D I our casino this would never happen....if a dealer would say this to a patron....he would very scolded by the pitboss.... " the very first rule we were though is this : Patron is King... " Well I still stand that one can't predict where the ball lands, but like you know, I'm still a newbie and don't know that much.... :oops: Maltezan

Gidday Lanky 123456789<winner here wipes 189 off 234568< winner here wipes 268 off 3458<winner here wipes 358 off 44<winner here wipes 44 off & even Thanks, hey had a late night last night so I may not be thinking too clearly :P With your example above, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 < a win here wipes 1 & 9 off, not the 8 if you play the cancellation as normal. 2,3,4,5,6,8 < a win here wipes 2 + 8 off, how come the 6 is being cancelled as well :?: ditto Are you sure you haven't used an interpretation of one of Izak's modified Labby scams. Also 1,2,3 may require 1.5 bets to clear, you can't bet .5, it is an actual bet or it isn't, the value of the bet is irrelevant, meaning you have to bet twice. Also switching to Left Most achieves nothing, you still have those right side numbers to cancel, and if you think of breaking them down once the left side has been cancelled, then you can forget about any "I only need to win 33%" of my bets senario. The reason for my question, I've played with a Labby, and basically once it get's into trouble, it's very hard to get out of the hole. I recently evaluated every MM option that I'm aware of for a template based bet selection that I'm using, and I couldn't understand why the Labby kept performing so badly yet my average hit rate was 44%, 11% higher than the often publicized figure of 33% and it still had difficulty in resolving itself. So I took a look at what was actually going on, and by my reckoning a 50% hit rate is required when it comes to win v's loss requirement ratio. Have I got it wrong??? Maltezan, perhaps it's an Aussi thing, or maybe its to do with the fact we can't tip down under. I could be playing Bac' doing really well, dealer change takes place, I drop quite a bit, female dealer walks away remarks to the pit boss, "how good was that". Same venue drop a bit, different female dealer walks away, pumping the air. Sitting at a corner table spot, pit boss comes over to the dealer and asks (about me), is he going down yet. I'm telling you some of these people are either jealous as F^%* or just want to protect what they conceive as their money. Therefore I take every opportunity to give them as good as they dish out. With Roulette it's worst because they can actually influence the outcome even more so... Now in case you are wondering that it's just me that attracts such negativity or it's this one particular establishment, this is not the case. I spend an awful lot of time in many different casino's, have done so for the last few years, I talk to the regular punters, I talk to people outside while I'm having a smoke. I've exprienced the same attitude in Auckland (the worst), Adelaide and Canberra. Jupiters, Christchurch and Melborune were fine. Gamble with any degree of nativity and your a sitting target.

hi john
John wrote Thanks, hey had a late night last night so I may not be thinking too clearly With your example above, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 < a win here wipes 1 & 9 off, not the 8 if you play the cancellation as normal. 2,3,4,5,6,8 < a win here wipes 2 + 8 off, how come the 6 is being cancelled as well ditto High john my mate. Sorry mate I made an error in the bet size not the amount of bets mate. Buddy in your eaxample you had. 12345678=(8) lost bets<<so if you add the 1st & the last bets =9 to bet Right ?? So now in your betting line you would have 123456789 with spin result to come We win so if you had 9 bet you get 18 back So 189=18 Now you have 234567<<add the 1st & the last lost bets=9 to bet So now your betting line is 2345679 with spin result to come We win=18 back= so the 279 goes.=18 Now you have 3456<<add the 1st & last lost bets=9 to bet So now your betting line is 34569 withe the spin result to come We win=18 back=so the 369 goes=18 Now we have 45<<add them both=9 to bet Betting line reads 459 We win=18 back less 18= Zero we are even. So you had 8 loseing bets & 4 winning bets=12 bets in total=33% of wins & now even Sorry about the earlier mistake mate. JOHN I have EDITED the other post as I don,t want other people confused by my stupid mistake. Your Friend Lanky

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Gamlet "The Pangolin Changes a Tail". I Googled pangolin. Where did you get such a name for you methodology? Do you have a pet pangolin? I will watch my e-mail in hopes you send me information on this methodology. "ICE and FIRE" is still doing well!! Thanks my friend. Sam Gamlet "Pangolin изменяет кабель". Ii1 pangolin Googled. Куда вы получили такому имени для вас методологию? Вы имеете pangolin любимчика? Я буду наблюдать мое и-мэйло в упованиях, котор вы посылаете мной информацию на этой методологии. "ЛЕД и ПОЖАР" все еще делают наилучшим образом!! Благодарит моего друга. Sam

Hi JOHN The other examples you gave were. For (3) loses 123=4 to bet 1234 A win wipes off 134 2 left so 2 bet=even Total bets=5 for 2 wins=40% of win bets to get even. Now for (4) losses 1234=5 to bet 12345 A win wipes off 145 23=5 to bet 235 A win = even Total bets =6 for 2 wins=33% of win bets to get even. Now for (6) losses 123456=7 to bet 1234567 A win wipes off 167 2345=7 to bet 23457 A win wipes off 257 34=7 to bet 347 A win=even Total bets=9 for 3 wins=33% of win bets to get even I hope this helps mate to explain where they reckon the 33% + 1 comes from Lanky